Draft Summary of the Federal Advisory Committee Act (FACA)

Science and Technical Support Work Group Meeting

Mutual Building, Tom Helm's Office

June 24, 1997

Durham, North Carolina

The Science and Technical Support Work Group (STSWG) of the FACA Subcommittee held a conference call on Tuesday, June 24, 1997. A list of participants and a summary of the call is listed below.

Work Group Participants

Name	Affiliation

Diana Andrews	Kentucky DEP

John Cabiniss	AIAM

Kirit Chaudhri	Virginia DEQ

David Chock	Ford Motor Company

Bruce Hill	Appalachian Mountain Club

Jay Hudson	Santee Cooper

George Lauer	ARCO

Tom Moore	Arizona

Jay Rosenthal	Navy

Jay Turner	DOT

Jeffrey West	GPU Service

Work Group Members Not Participating

Name	Affiliation

Harvey Jeffries, Co-Chair	University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill

Tom Helms, Co-Chair	U.S.EPA

Glen Cass	Cal Tech

Ellis Cowling	SOS

Ken Demerjian	SUNY

Cyril	Durrenberger	TNRCC

David Kelly	Navajo EPA

Russell Koch	Technical Coatings Laboratory

Jeffrey MacGilvray	NH Legislature

Dave McNeill	Utah DEQ

Rich Poirot	Vermont DEC

S.T. Rao	New York ARB

Pradeep Saxena	EPRI

Mark Scruggs	DOI

Manop Vanichchagorn	Louisiana DEQ

Dan Weiss/Mike Teague	Cinergy/UARG

Steve Ziman	Chevron Corporation

Non-Work Group Participants

Ted Russell; Jim Vickery, U.S. EPA/NERL; Tom Braverman and Ellen Baldridge, EPA/AQMG;

Nancy Mayer, EPA; Bob Stallings and David Sanders, EPA/OPSG; and Denise Scott, SAIC.

Summary of the Meeting

David Sanders began the meeting by noting that neither of the co-chairs and many of the work group members would not be available for the meeting and that this would be a shorter meeting than usual. He stated that during the call today, two updates on issue papers and an update on the source attribution workshop would be given. He added that there would be a change in the agenda and that we would start with the modeling process and emission inventories update.

Modeling Process/Emission Inventories Update, Ted Russell

Ted Russell noted that the status on this paper is that he is waiting for comments from the sub- group members formed to address this issue. He noted that he gave everyone until yesterday to comment on the present paper. He added that he is trying to get responses from the members so that he can include the comments in the responses received to date. Mr. Russell said that he had already received comments from a number of people including: Glenn Cass, David Chock, Sarah Peirce-Sandner, Ellis Cowling, and Ellen Baldridge. He continued that after getting the last five comments he will prepare a third draft. This draft will go back to the sub-group and then to the two working groups (STSWG, National and Regional Strategies Work Group). He hoped that this would be done by next weekend. Mr. Russell added that he hopes to have a document that we can reach consensus on in time for the workshop. He stated that a conference call will be set up by Charlene Spells on next Tuesday to discuss this paper further..

Ellen Baldridge asked for a copy of that update once it is completed.

Ted Russell said he would send the update to David Sanders and Robin Dunkins for distribution.

Mr. Russell concluded by asking members to please send any comments they may have to him as soon as possible.

David Sanders added that we are in a good position with this paper. He noted that the science and policy are reflected which make it a strong paper. He asked if anyone on the call was prepared to address Reasonable Further Progress (RFP). None of the members responded and Mr. Sanders added that he would like to say a few things about what John Silvasi had given to him.

RFP Update

David Sanders said that a policy meeting was held this morning. He relayed that his understanding was that the policy part of this paper is about to come to closure. The paper will then be passed back to STSWG for review and comment. After STSWG has reviewed and approved it, the paper will go back to the NRS Work Group.

Nancy Mayer agreed with Mr. Sanders that the paper was getting towards closure. She thanked the STSWG for all of the help they had given to the NRS Work Group on RFP.

David Sanders added that they received input form the California Air Resources Board (CARB) last week which brought balance to the paper. Mr. Sanders asked when the paper will be completed.

Nancy Mayer responded that it will hopefully be finished in August.

David Sanders noted that with respect to RFP, he thought the science angle was sown up. Regarding meteorological variability, he stated that a one pager was developed which nailed down the points STSWG wanted to convey. Regarding metrics, he stated that this paper had a Texas angle but thought that it could be used as a model for other geographic areas.

A work group member asked if there had been any major changes since the June FACA meeting.

David Sanders responded that he did not think so. He added that we have had calls with the sub- group and that they had changed some language a little to reflect suggestions made at the FACA meeting. For example, in terms of population weighting and emission metrics, they have started to look at them as more equivalent. There is no hierarchy as first envisioned. He added that he thought this pushed everyone towards more consensus.

Bruce Hill stated that during an evening meeting on the first night of FACA, four things must occur to show RFP. First, you must show that you took some action. Second, you must show the emission reductions. Third, you must show measured emission reductions. Finally, you must show measured air quality changes.

Nancy Mayer commented that input was received form Harvey Jeffries regarding this issue. Dr. Jeffries explained that air quality metrics could be used only if the decrease in emissions was large enough to show up or if you could wait long enough.. Dr. Jeffries suggested that we need to require people to do air quality checks. This would not be a sanctionable offense if they do not meet the air quality goals, but not doing the checks would be a sanctionable offense..

Bruce Hill stated that he spoke with Harvey Jeffries and that Dr. Jeffries indicated that the metric might be an integrated metric.

David Sanders thanked Ted Russell for the update on modeling process and emission inventories. He noted that with respect to the issue paper on RFP, it is about ready to come back to STSWG for further comment. STSWG will get one more chance to look at it before it is given back to the NRS Work Group. He added that both papers are due in August.

Source Attribution Workshop

David Sanders reminded the members that the Source Attribution Workshop would be held July 16-18, 1997. He noted that 72 people have registered including attendees, presenters and panelists. Mr. Sanders said he had talked with Neil Donahue who will be the Meteorologist on the peer review panel. He asked everyone (including EPA staff) to please complete their registration forms and turn them in to the contractor. Mr. Sanders emphasized that because of the amount of material to be covered and the limited amount of time, comments would mainly come from the panel. He noted that STSWG would have priority for making limited comments.

Bruce Hill asked if it would be possible for Steve Britt to attend the meeting in his place.

David Sanders said that would be okay.

Several work group members noted that they are still having problems getting some of the emails.

David Sanders adjourned the meeting and reminded everyone that there would be another meeting held two weeks from today (July 8, 1997.